@FunkyBob That's why I prefer Svelte: even setting it up is real basic JS, it compiles to JS code that makes every component usable from JS code without bundler, and in the end, it's just a fancy HTML+CSS+JS templating engine that compiles to JS, and it's awesome.

React is a framework-that-doesn't-want-to-call-itself-framework and everything you do with it has to be "the React way".

With Svelte, you import any JS lib and it just works (unless it needs the browser at import-time)

@pierstoval Also interesting to see the React Compiler basically playing catch-up the Svelte.

So many sharp edges in React where "if you do X, you must do Y" and me thinking "Why don't you just do that for me, then?" ... like Svelte does.

@FunkyBob vue3 and their "just html component" new stuff were also a catch up svelte.

Svelte is IMO the best so far: simple, light, closer to standard, and can even compile to web components.